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If I had to choose between the anti-abortion right and the anti-capitalist left I'd choose the right every time.
Socialism is a dying horse.
BTW I was a hard core communist in my youth so I am quite familiar with the arguments on both sides.
Milton Friedman and Hayek wised me up. Not to mention the great socialist failure of the USSR and the lesser socialist failure of Europe.
M. Simon, Saturday, December 23rd
"Nobody labelled pajamas media. They labeled themselves as conservatives. It is their right, but it is our right to point out that this diminishes the credibility of their message."
Please show me one statement or description at the PJ site or from any of its founders or staff labelling it as "conservative." That's your perception, not their self-description.
And if PJ is perceived as conservative, so what? How does that diminish its credibility any more than a site labelling itself as "liberal"?
"Nobody undertook to explain or understand why or how this has come about or how it can be changed. How did blowing yourself up for the greater glory of Allah become the latest thing in radical chic, and how can this be changed?"
Actually Richard writes about this a lot at Augean Stables, and so have many others. This type of radical chic has been around since the nihilists of the late 1900s, I believe a panelist talked about that. But you have to be willing to hear the phrase "Stockholm Syndrome"....
Judith, Wednesday, December 20th
Dear Liza and Richard,
Thank you for your remarks.
"The food is terrible and they don't serve seconds" is a reference to a joke about a letter that a kid writes from camp. It means that the complaints are trivial and that the main problem is that there was not enough conference to cover all the issues.
It has nothing to do with the actual food served, though I didn't get to eat sushi.
Liza - I am aware of the complexity of turning an enemy into a friend, and I have been engaged in dialogue for many years. If you saw the sort of propaganda that is being generated by the other side, you would understand that those particular people could never be friends. As for dialogue, it must be real dialogue. Palestinian Arabs should be allowed to say what is on their mind about the occupation, and we should listen. But they should be listening to what Israelis have to say about the racist propaganda and incitement. They need to understand that we are not going to go away or make a "secular democratic" Arab state here. The sort of dialogue where Arabs say Israel is no good, and the Jews agree, is not dialogue.
Please see this article by a foreign non-Jewish leftist visitor for a critique of dialogue:
Richard - Nobody labelled pajamas media. They labeled themselves as conservatives. It is their right, but it is our right to point out that this diminishes the credibility of their message.
Shalom - beyameinu,
Ami Isseroff, Wednesday, December 20th
With all due respect, making an enemy into a friend is a gross generalization. Finding rational individuals with whom to explore the possibility of a common ground for peace among a group that has previously been defined as "the enemy" is something else. In addition, I think that a willingness to say "what we are doing now certainly isn't working" is actually a better grip on reality than those who think it will be productive continue to portray Israel as a 100% innocent victim with no impact on the situation. I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out the looming clouds - indeed, it is important to do so. By the same token, I think we also have to do what we can to try to eradicate those looming clouds through dialog, not solely through more fighting. Perhaps it was not intended to come across this way, but I know that I and a number of my blogging colleagues came away with the distinct impression that many of the panelists were not open to the possibility of dialog, and instead seemed more preoccupied with how to combat the problems than how to find the voices of reason and try to move past the problems.
And the food wasn't too bad. The anti-pasti sandwiches, the sushi and the humus were quite decent. The coffee, on the other hand, was horrid.
Liza, Wednesday, December 20th
Thank you for your remarks both positive and negative. after reading Liza's remarks, i can appreciate better your comment: the food was terrible... and no seconds. the food was terrible. the news is terrible. and we won't make it better by ignoring it. people who want to live without enemies do not achieve their desires by pretending they have none, and redefining the enemy as actually a friend if only we were nicer.
i look forward to a fruitful dialogue with you and anyone capable of discussing the issues rather than of shunning and banning anyone with the temerity to point out the looming clouds on the horizen as some kind of neo-con creep.
Richard, Wednesday, December 20th
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